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Middle East and Chancellor conflict: Söder, the diplomat – Lanz counters: "It was good"

Markus Lanz speaks on ZDF with his guests, above all Markus Söder, about anti-Semitism in Germany from new circles and the Middle East conflict.

Hamburg / Frankfurt – In the first Markus Lanz program of the new week on ZDF, the Bavarian Prime Minister and non-chancellor candidate Markus Söder from the CSU was the star guest. The political situation made it possible for the power politician brought in from Munich not to have to talk in detail about his resignation – or his removal from the boat – but about the Middle East conflict.

Markus Söder tried to classify the re-emerging conflict: Criticism of Israeli politics must also be possible in Germany, but how it depends. What is sometimes chanted at demonstrations or posted on the Internet is unspeakable, German politics also oppose such excesses, but Germany is currently experiencing new forms of anti-Semitism from new circles.

Markus Söder at Markus Lanz (ZDF): New forms of anti-Semitism

But what do you do? Deport! some interior ministers demand, but is that more than just a point of excitement? Such outrage, according to Söder, quickly subsides; initiatives in civil society, educational measures and strengthening of education are much more important. Taking action against so-called imported anti-Semitism is an important issue in Bavaria after the corona pandemic.

Before the Prime Minister had to say goodbye to the group, the conversation briefly turned to the ailing CDU. Whether things will get better with Chancellor candidate Armin Laschet remains to be seen in the next few months. Söder, however, strongly criticized subjects and people of the sister party CDU, the trench warfare, Maaßen, there is a lot to criticize at the CDU and who can do that better than the little brother who can talk freely about the Bavarian liver without considering losses. In the end, he even claims that he always stays out of the internal conflicts of the CDU. “That was good!” Lanz could only say, but he knows the game.

Markus Lanz (ZDF) – Markus Söder with severe criticism of the CDU

After a good half of a show that almost looked like an election show for a man who doesn’t campaign at all (and maybe that’s why he acted so relaxed), the other guests were also allowed to take part.

The political scientist Prof. Thomas Biebricher sees the CDU in a downright historically difficult situation, especially when it comes to core competencies such as crisis management. Not only the behavior during the corona pandemic was meant here, but also the more than bumpy freestyle of the chancellor candidate. Was it possible that Söder was right after all, when he repeatedly emphasized that his survey results are significantly better than Laschet’s? Do people play a bigger role than content these days? Are we just experiencing the end of the CDU as the last major people’s party?

Guests at Markus Lanz (ZDF) function
Markus Söder Bavarian Prime Minister (CSU)
Prof. Thomas Biebricher political scientist
Ahmad Mansour German-Israeli psychologist
Kristin Helberg Journalist

Markus Lanz (ZDF): Don’t dare to criticize

Back to the introductory topic of anti-Semitism. The German-Israeli psychologist Ahmad Mansour lamented a tendency not to call things by their name, not to dare to criticize this or that group, to address problems, in this case to say clearly that some of them are Muslim refugees and migrants, chanting anti-Semitic slogans.

But you shouldn’t take it too easy for yourself, emphasized the journalist Kristin Helberg: By no means all migrants are anti-Semitic, the problem of blurring terms has become more serious in recent years. The Israeli government is also successfully helping to ensure that any legitimate criticism of its policies is automatically discredited as anti-Semitic. The complexity of the conflict is often overlooked. Yes, said Helberg, Hamas is responsible for the current escalation, but the entire prehistory, the decades-long occupation of the West Bank including the construction of settlements contrary to international law, the expulsion of the Palestinians, the recently canceled elections in the Gaza Strip and much more, are ignored calmly.

No surprise and no agreement at the end of the Markus Lanz broadcast on ZDF

Objection! shouted Mansour, who stressed that he was working for a two-state solution, but condemned the current reaction on the German streets and repeatedly noted the attacks by Hamas, which often hit the middle of peace negotiations.

Kristin Helberg tried to explain the complexity of the conflict with great dedication, while Mansour emphasized that the Palestinians had repeatedly missed opportunities. That at the end of this Lanz program there was no agreement on one of the longest-running conflicts in the world, that was not surprising. As it used to be said so beautifully on ZDF: the curtain closed and all questions open. (Michael Meyns)

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